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I love this - thank you again! We were not sure of the proper recipe for our compost. But this tool brings everything into focus. We will be using rabbit manure in our compost, which I believe is similar to horse manure. Here's what we came up with: 40 lbs. Vegetable Waste 100 lbs. Horse Manure 10 lbs. Poultry Manure 300 lbs. Straw Wheat makes a mix with a total available C:N Ratio of 25:1 |
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Some confusion on my part, on this page you say a Carbon / nitrogen ratio to aim for with ingredients is 25:1. I am reading that as 25 carbon to 1 nitrogen. The Klickitat County calculator says 25 C to 30 N....roughly a 40/60 mix. Which one ? A top website and I wish you both well. Derek |
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Hi Derek, I had another look through the Klickitat County page to try and find the reference to using a 25 C to 30 N mix and could not find it. I have alway been taught that compost will not work unless your carbon nitrogen ratio is between 20:1 and 40:1. A lower ration that 20:1 will make a very rich rotten egg gas producing anaerobic pile of gloop and a higher ratio than 40:1 will just be a pile of loose ingredients. What you are suggesting is a C:N ratio of 2:3 or 1:1.5 this would be a pile of Urea or other very high nitrogen material. Make sure you don't confuse the total carbon nitrogen ration with the ration of high carbon material and high nitrogen materials. Even high nitrogen materials like chicken manure have more carbon in them than nitrogen. Make sure you watch Kirsten's compost videos... she'll set you straight. |
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Thanks Nick, what I did was click on the link back up this page ",,,,great compost mix calculator developed by John Longfellow...." and misunderstood what was above the calculator box. I see what you're saying now. Regards Derek |
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Thanks for not only offering such great information and useful tools, but also such playful tutorials and good remedies for the serious. You inspire me to have as much creative fun in working the land! I have a question for you. I heard that if you don't have enough nitrogen content in the compost, you can add some of your own urine, which is rich in nitrogen. What do you think about this? Also, I'm soaking thistles and nettles in water for a few weeks and adding the strained, nutrient rich tea to the compost. Don't know how to factor urine or weed teas into C:N ratio. Any ideas or experiences with this? Thanks. And keep inspiring us! Kali (aspiring towards permaculture in a woodland in France) |
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Urine has a very low Carbon:Nitrogen ratio... almost 1:1 it is an excellent addition to compost, but can be a little difficult to handle. It's easiest to use it fresh... (ie pee directly onto the pile), but it's hard to gather enough via this method to make a difference. You DO NOT want to store it in liquid form, urine is practically sterile when it leaves the body, but it is so rich in nitrogen (proteins) that anaerobic bacteria quickly colonises it and produces that horrible stale urine smell. One good way to deal with this is to fill a bucket with very high carbon material, sawdust, wood-chips or shredded paper and then pee in that. Once you have filled the bucket you will have something around 5:1, still very rich. Use it quick |
| This calculator has one big shortcoming: it does not calculate the total percent moisture (which should be targeted at about 50%). I have my students build their recipes based on moisture content first (balancing their primary material such as food waste with some available bulking agent such as straw), then they calculate C:N to see if it is okay. One other flaw: waste hay, our favorite carbon material, is not listed, and straw is so much ligher that it can't be used as a substitute in the formula. Doug |
Great calculator - I used it to build my first hot compost pile yesterday and it'was hot when I checked this afternoon! Much better than my previous efforts with a compost bin at the back door with too many food scraps and not enough carbon |
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